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Friday, September 17, 2010

Wingroves - Part 3

Kathleen Anne Flanagan Wingrove was born in Poplar, London, England on September 7, 1873, to Richard Flanagan originally of Termonfeckin, Ireland and Maria Cutler originally of Islington, England.  By 1901, Kathleen is married to Henry Wingrove with her mother, Maria Flanagan, living with them in Lewisham, London, England.

Based on the records that I've located on plus the 1911 Census from a contributor with a subscription to that specific census,  I have traced this specific Wingrove family including Kathleen.  Kathleen and Henry Wingrove went on to have at least 3 children - Norman Richard (b. 1902), Norah Kathleen (b. 1906), and Eric Edwin (b. 1911).  While Wingrove seems to be a somewhat common name in England, I do think that I have found the line for which I seek.  Where do I go from here?  I do have a little more information to share.

Kathleen Anne (Flanagan) Wingrove does show up in the 1911 England Census with her husband - Henry Wingrove, her mother - Maria Flanagan, and her three children - Norman, Norah, and Eric.  They are all living at 99 Tyrwhitt Road, St. John's SE  in Lewisham, London, England.  The 1911 England Census is another find that receives a top score!  This was provided by another researcher.  Thank you!

After 1911, it is difficult to trace the family.  I can't tell where Eric ended up.  I think that I found Norah but am not sure because there are at least three Norah Wingroves and they married three different gentlemen in the greater London area.   I have Norman getting married at the age of 72.  I'm pretty sure that is him but was he married before then?

In one of my recent searches on, I finally located the death index information for Kathleen Anne Flanagan Wingrove.  If this is her, the index information reads as follows:

Kathleen A. Wingrove
Death:  1962
Age:  88
District:  Bromley
County:  Kent

There has got to be some information out there about this family.  The Wingrove line is likely to have kept going.  I have searched for any marriages for Norah Kathleen Wingrove.  I found a Norah C. Wingrove marrying a Sydney Cheeseman in 1943 in Maidstone, Kent.  Is this my Norah? 

I am beginning to realize that my lack of understanding of the geography of London and the surrounding areas is hindering my research.  I don't know if Maidstone is near Lewisham or actually part of it.  What about Kent?  Where is that?  I can map these locations online but find that I get lost.  To me, a key to finding people is knowing where they were living and if the locations make some sense.  Maybe my luck will continue on this line in the future.  I will revisit it again.

Thursday, September 16, 2010

Wingroves - Part 2

In my investigation to trace Richard Flanagan, Maria Cutler Flanagan, and Kathleen Anne Flanagan,  I find other family members touching their lives.  Sarah Cutler Holness was Kathleen's aunt with whom it would appear she lived her entire childhood with and without her mother present.  Also, her grandmother Maria Cutler is present in her life but appears to have passed on by the 1891 England Census.  So where was Kathleen's mother, Maria Flanagan, in 1881 and 1891?

In 1881, Maria Flanagan is living at 19 Benthal Road, Hackney St. John, London, England, as a widow.  Her occupation is indicated as annuitant.  When I look this up, it means someone who receives money from an annuity or pension.  She has a cousin by the name of Annie Cutler living with her with the same occupation.  I did not find Kathleen living here because she's living with her aunt.  I wish the "why" was written down on these census but it is not. 

In 1891, Maria Flanagan is living at what appears to be Ashcombe Park Road, Greenwich St. John, London, England.  She's living with her brother, George Cutler, and his family indicated as a widow.  Her brother is a civil and gas engineer.  Kathleen is not listed because she's living with her aunt.

By the 1901 England Census, I have Maria Flanagan living with Henry and Kathleen Wingrove at 6 Loampit Hill (Lyncroft), Lewisham, London, England.  Maria is the head of the household. Living with her are her son-in-law and her daughter, Kathleen.

Kathleen Anne Flanagan married Henry Wingrove on June 6, 1900.  The information available on has the actual entry log in original handwriting for this marriage as follows:

London, England, Marriages and Banns, 1754-1921 – This document indicates a marriage at St. John’s Church, Parish of St. John Deptford, London; On June 6th 1900 between Henry Wingrove, age 27, and Kathleen Anne Flanagan, age 26. He’s listed as a bachelor and she as a spinster. He’s working as a clerk and she’s working as civil service clerk. He’s living at 76 Duke Street, Chelmsford and she’s living at Lewisham High Road. His father is Charles Wingrove, a deceased farmer. Her father is Richard Flanagan, a deceased controller in His Majesty’s customs. He signed his name H. Wingrove and she signed her name Kathleen Anne Flanagan (fancy feminine handwriting by the way). The witnesses were Maria Flanagan and Sarah Cutler.  She wrote Sarah Cutler and then next to it wrote "S.A.Holmers". It’s hard to read the other signatures on the page but I am assuming one is the vicar and the others are more witnesses which appear to include W. E. Holmers.

I give this information find top scores!  We've got everyone that I'm looking for up to this point all listed in one place.  This really demonstrates their connection to each other too.  It would appear that Kathleen's aunt married surname was Holmers.  I know that this could really trail off into a totally unrelated line but I wonder if Sarah's family knows more about their relatives, Henry and Kathleen Wingrove.  They might......I know that I had a Maxwell who is not a McLaughlin, telling me about McLaughlin's, and vice versa.   You never know what you might find if you ask.

To be continued....................

Wednesday, September 15, 2010

Wingroves - Part 1

In my quest to trace my family tree, I also have other branches that I'm investigating.  I accepted a mission a few months back to try and locate the family of Richard Flanagan who went to London.  This Richard is the brother of my great-great grandfather, Patrick Flanagan who went to Napa, CA, and of Michael Flanagan who also was in Napa, CA and returned to Ireland when the family farm was in dire need.  His brother Nicholas Flanagan also came to California.  In fact, the Flanagan's know what happened to all of the children of John Flanagan and Anne Maguire, except for Richard's family.

Richard Flanagan of London was one of the main correspondents within the Flanagan letters until his death in 1878.  I have written about him before.  The living Flanagan's would like to locate his family line if descendants exist.  Chances are that there are some descendants.  They may not fully know of the Flanagan line to which they are related.  The key elements that make the Flanagan's story so interesting for the descendants and outsiders looking in are the letters, the family connections even today, and the location (or locations depending on how you look at it) that you can still visit.  The information that has been maintained and the stories that go along with this information get you that much closer to what these individuals were like.  Richard, who went to London is no exception, his letters are preserved too.

In my quest to find this Richard Flanagan's family line, I have had no problem placing him in the various England Census (1851, 1861, 1871), finding his marriage index record to Maria Cutler for 1871, and locating his death in the index for 1878.  Cutler is a fairly common name in England but once Maria was married, I find her as Maria Flanagan from thence forward.

At this point, I need to jump to their daughter, Kathleen Anne Flanagan, who was born September 7, 1873.  When her father died in 1878, it does not appear that she continued to live with her mother all of the time.  It has taken me a while to find Kathleen in various England Census as a child because she was not living with her mother at the time.

Sarah Cutler was Kathleen's aunt.  Sarah seems to be very much attached (for lack of a better word) to Richard and Maria (Cutler) Flanagan.  In 1871,  Richard and Maria have Maria's widowed mother, also named Maria Cutler, and her sister Sarah Cutler living with them.  This information stands out very clear in the image viewer on for the census.  The original document is there plus the transcription is great too.  They are all living in St. John at Hackney.  At the time, Sarah was eleven years old and Kathleen was not born yet.

Next we jump to the 1881 England Census where I find Kathleen living with her Aunt Sarah at 5 Woodville Road,  London, Middlesex, England.  I get confused by all of the districts and parishes for London.  They are living in the district of Woolwich and sub-district of Charlton in St. James. Sarah Cutler is now married and is Sarah A. Holness (maybe Holmers).  She's married to Edwin Holness.  Grandma Maria Cutler is living with them at the age of 61.  I know that this is Kathleen, despite the flub on the spelling of Flanagan, because I find the Holness' later in Kathleen's life.

By the 1891 England Census, I find Kathleen (17) still living with her Aunt.  Edwin and Sarah Holness now have two children - Edwin (10) and Harold (8).  Kathleen is indicated as the niece, born in Poplar, and her last name is a misspelled version of Flanagan.  Also, Sarah and her family's last name has been transcribed as Holmers.  They are still living in the same location as in 1891 at 5 Woodville Road, London, Middlesex, England.  The districts and parish are all the same.

As a summary,  I have found Kathleen Anne Flanagan in the birth index and in the 1881 and 1891 England Census.  Is there more?  You better believe it.

To be continued...............................

Sunday, September 12, 2010

Privacy for Living Individuals

Just as dictates, I try to follow their lead when it comes to privacy of living individuals.  Revisiting this subject every so often within my blog can give the readers and other relatives confidence that the intent here is not to reveal a living individual's personal information.  I can even honor the fact that some may not want any unflattering information written out about those who have passed away.  I will admit that some of what others may consider unflattering can really demonstrate who the person was and their character.  It can also explain why their lives went in the direction they did.

I have not received any feedback on this subject from anyone that I've connected with but I wanted to address any concerns that anyone may have about privacy.  I leave this blog in a public status because it gives all of us the ability to network and find other relatives.  It acts as a repository of our family genealogy including some family tree information but also some history that links the families together. 

My invitation still stands for any authors who would like to include an article on my blog.  I have one taker whose article will post tomorrow!

Saturday, September 11, 2010

A Bit of Irish History - Part 3

If you are Irish, have you ever been told that you are probably of Viking descent?  One of my very Irish middle school teachers told me once that even though I may have an Irish name, that with all of that blond hair and those blue eyes, that I probably also descended from Vikings who conquered Ireland.  I was probably eleven years old and was not sure what she was talking about.  She was a teacher of history for sure in addition to many other subjects and she did explain some of this to the class.  The Vikings had conquered Ireland along with other areas of the world.

Around 800 A.D. the Vikings invaded Ireland for more than a century.  These invaders were assimilated into the life and culture of Ireland but not without lots of blood shed and violence.  Evidence of the Vikings still exists today.  A good place to see this is at Dublin Castle.  There are various foundations under the current buildings on the premises that have been unearthed.  They were constructed by both the Vikings and Normans alike.

When you think of an invader, enemy or conqueror who dominated Ireland for centuries, many people probably think of the English.  We are getting to them but the Normans were the precursor to the English.  The Normans invaded Ireland around the 12th century.  Strongbow (Richard de Clare, 2nd Earl of Pembroke) led the Norman knights (mercenaries) on May 1, 1169, in an invasion of Ireland in Bannow, County Wexford.  There's those French Irish Normans again (see my post called O'McFitz).  In 1171, Henry II landed a much larger force in Waterford.  Strongbow had made his way to Waterford by about 1170.

When my husband and I toured Ireland in 2004, we visited Waterford and participated in a walking tour of the town.  It was very informative.  We even had the opportunity to play roles in a brief history presentation of Strongbow.  My husband had the priviledge of filling the role of Strongbow, himself.  I was Aoife, an Irish princess.

From what the history books say, it sounds like Strongbow made a deal with Aoife's father.  Her father had been warring against rival kingships and had been expelled from Waterford.  Once Strongbow married Aoife, her father was reinstated as the King of Leinster.  I don't want to go into all of the details here but this did mark a day of neither victory nor defeat for either side.  It was a political and military alliance.  King Henry II put the kabosh on this, however, asserting his control over the Norman forces by 1172.

Because the Normans controlled England during the 12th century, technically, 1169 marked the beginning of direct Norman and later English involvement in Ireland.  Druing the 16th century, after the English Reformation, the English crown asserted control over Ireland.  By the 17th century, Gaelic Ireland was all but defeated.  The role of religion surfaced as the main point of contention in the land.  Irish history is plagued with sectarian conflict from this point on.    

Friday, September 10, 2010

A Bit of Irish History - Part 2

Around 8,000 B.C. the first people arrived in what is Ireland.  They probably crossed a land bridge from Europe to the Emerald Isle.  Archaeologists continue to study these people today.  Let's just say that life was all about survival back then.  There are those Neolithic sites such as Newgrange that have mounds at the location.  The mounds have been studied.  Some of them appear to be tombs but could have stored food and supplies at a later point in time.  In addition, they may have been used to hide from invaders. Newgrange aligns with the rising sun on winter solstice which may have some religious significance for the time.

By the year 600, St. Patrick and other Christian missionaries had successfully spread Christianity to the area which replaced the Celtic religion.  The Celtic religion is considered to be a pagen religion.  Little information is known about it because there are no written records.  St. Patrick is the patron saint of Ireland.  He is supposedly buried in County Down at the Down Cathedral in Downpatrick.

I am sure that there is more to the ancient history of Ireland.  There's folklore, legends, and stories that have been handed down over the thousands of years.  Where else would the legend of the Leprechaun come from.  They have been linked to Tuatha De Danann of Irish mythology.  Leprechauns make shoes, store their gold coins in a hidden pot of gold, and, of course, that pot is at the end of the rainbow.  If a human captures a Leprechaun, they get three wishes.  Also, Leprechauns look like old men but are childsize.  These are such fun stories that expand the imigination.  It is fun to read about them.

Apparently, Celtic music is a misnomer.  It is a commerical name to describe the folk music found in the Celtic areas of Western Europe.  The fact is that no one really knows what the Celts' music was like.  It remains a mystery even today.  I suppose record companies will continue to sell the music under the Celtic name.

To be continued................

Thursday, September 9, 2010

A Bit of Irish History - Part 1

The more research that I do on my Irish ancestors, the more that I'd like to know about Irish history. I barely touched the tip of the iceberg when we visited Ireland in 2004. We did go to Newgrange in County Meath which is a megalithic passage tomb mound built around 3,000 B.C. That is old. In fact, Newgrange is older than the pyramids in Egypt.

We also visited Monasterboice in Co. Louth where there are 10th Century high crosses. In Dublin, we visited Trinity College and saw the book of Kells (produced as early as the 6th Century), Dublin Castle (which has a few older foundations under it), and the Guinness Brewery. We also drove around the countryside visiting Waterford Crystal in the town of Waterford. It was a place before there was crystal! Blarney and Bunratty Castles were also on the list. To be honest, I had a tough time paying attention at the Craggaunowen. I actually got a little bored.

The history of Ireland is so interwoven in their day-to-day lives that the couple of hundred year old (or older) pub still serves patrons everyday with entertainment at night. And there's not just one pub like that. The living past is everywhere in Ireland and you don't just have to go see it at the Craggaunowen.

The more I research my family tree, the more that I want to go back to Ireland and tour the locations where my ancestors lived. Counties Louth, Meath, and Longford have so much to offer the tourist. This tourist would also be looking to get a glimpse of where her lineage originated.  As least as far back as I know.  I'd also like to visit other counties including Clare, Limerick, Monaghan and Fermanagh but want to complete more research as to where my ancestors truly originated. I don't want to fly completely blind but know that visiting the probable locations of where my ancestors originated may have to be an educated best guess. At least there's no guessing in Louth.

To be continued...............